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First, perception of safety is subjective. Trying to objectify the argument as outlined above is a hollow effort.

Second, numbers are used all the time to support lies. It all depends upon how they are presented.

Deaths as a result of terrorism are such a small number when compared to all "accidents" (of which homicide and terrorism are included) that the differences between the numbers shown above are insignificant. The truth of the matter is that terrorism to Americans is insignificant. The danger is if there is significant escalation to bring about instability and erosion of confidence.

So the real question remains: will our escalation result in a greater response from terrorists? The entire scope of human history suggests that it will. I will admit that we don't yet know for sure, and that we won't likely know until we can no longer afford to hold together the middle east. Nevertheless it is a safe bet that inciting a civil war, and lowering the region's standard of living won't work out in our favor.
One thing the Bush admin and the socalled war on terror has not made safer is the US Constitution.

I agree that things have been stretched some but it will eventually return to normal. The fact is less was done this time around than by Roosevelt during WW2 or Lincoln during the Civil War and yet even in those instances we returned to pre-war status. Historically war has stressed our Constitution, just not permanently.

Thanks for the visit and the comment.

Henesua-

Thoughtful commentary, thanks.

I must disagree relative to the civil war. Our post-Sadam mistakes set the table but it was al-Qaeda that fomented the civil war between Sunni and Shia. As to the standard of living in Iraq, for Shia there was no where to go but up after the overthrow of Sadam.

You're partially correct about numbers since they can most certainly be manipulated. Or they can speak for themselves.

Regardless of whether or not we are the cause the civil war, the perception is that we are, and in this game that is one thing that will be significant in the long run. However if we did not invade would there have been a civil war? Very very unlikely.

Henesua-

The long term judgement of history is always based upon fact, documentation, first hand accounts and the like where real time perception plays virtually no role since it is most often inaccurate if not dead wrong.

If Sadam was not removed the Sunni, Kurds and Marsh Arabs would still be subject to genocide, thus there would be no opportunity for an al-Qaeda driven civil war. Instead there would just be mass graves throughout the countryside.

There are mass graves throughout the countryside, but because of our action there will be many less than would have been. I still refuse to acknowledge civil war. The action seems to be foreign insurgents against native villagers to intimidate into support for the insurgents. Not tribe against tribe physical fights so much as political fights for control.

JudgeBob-

There was no "civil war" per se but there most certainly were foreign fighters, former hard core Sadamist insurgents and Sunni vs. Shia revenge fighting but the truth is Iraq will end up better off with a freely elected government.

The question of how the Iraq War will look in a history someday is irrelevant to a terrorist organization now. None of these statements you are making have anything to do with the increased perception that we are THE enemy to fight due to our intervention in Iraq and occupation.

By the way this statement is unsupported by history:

"The long term judgement of history is always based upon fact, documentation, first hand accounts and the like where real time perception plays virtually no role since it is most often inaccurate if not dead wrong."
The opposite is the case which is why study of secondary sources are so difficult.

Henesua-

It is not clear what you are saying about secondary sources generally and especially how they relate to primary sources. Shed some light on that.

Most importantly it is time for you to abandon the "perception" cause relative to jihad. Your reading assignment is:

'Knowing The Enemy: Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror'.

Author: Professor Mary Habeck, John Hopkins University. Publisher: Yale University Press, 2006.

This work cites PRIMARY sources and is not about "perceptions". Here you will learn why this country, our fellow Americans, you and I are hated and hunted. It will introduce you to The Real World.

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